In this episode, Collin Jilbert and I discuss finding a job as a junior developer, tracing family history and learning foreign languages, how Collin came to work at GoRails, the Pay gem, software estimation, testing as you go, skateboarding and how your hobbies make you a better programmer.

• Collin Jilbert on Twitter
• GoRails Discord
• Code Complete by Steve McConnell
• Software Estimation by Steve McConnell